tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post4017697154236109107..comments2024-03-12T17:34:02.225-04:00Comments on NT Blog: Peer-reviewed article responding to a blog post: what is the etiquette?Mark Goodacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-35643341595198670652013-04-17T22:34:38.795-04:002013-04-17T22:34:38.795-04:00Thanks, Chris. Yes, that kind of gets to my own t...Thanks, Chris. Yes, that kind of gets to my own thinking. Blog comments are there for interaction, or one could use one's own blog, e.g. Edinburgh has its own. But each to their own.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-62684143673176666512013-04-17T21:53:44.472-04:002013-04-17T21:53:44.472-04:00That's an interesting angle, Tim. I had not c...That's an interesting angle, Tim. I had not considered that. In practice, I suppose that it is very unlikely that a prof. in a university would be unable to get access to JTS, but it speaks to the broader point about our choice of forum for feedback on a given issue. Something similar cropped up some years ago, when I message I sent to an e-list was quoted in a formal publication. I subsequently changed my mind about what I had said in the email, so the "setting in stone" of the email comment in the formal publication did not work very well.<br /><br />I must admit that I am loathe to start putting specifications on the blog. On balance, I think I'm just more likely to avoid blogging about anything that I am likely to turn into a formal publication. Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-11329441828839350702013-04-17T16:06:23.733-04:002013-04-17T16:06:23.733-04:00I'm with timbulkeley and veryrarelystable in t...I'm with timbulkeley and veryrarelystable in that either the article's author or the journal editor should have contacted you for permission. I mean, per the comments of others, what if the journal had been inaccessible to you---that you were unable to see it or reply? They can't just assume that you'll find and be able to access the piece.<br /><br />But, I think perhaps every blog with academic authors will now need to specify "provisional" or "cite by permission only" to each post with any kind of academic argument---or just to make that a blanket caveat for the blog.<br /><br />I wonder if one of the Creative Commons licenses covers this kind of contingency? - TLTim Lacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04098955217921572372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-25053497280523684842013-04-17T06:10:16.080-04:002013-04-17T06:10:16.080-04:00One would have thought that if Paul Foster wanted ...One would have thought that if Paul Foster wanted to criticise the blog posting that he could have done so here in the comments. <br /><br />Then his critique would have been in an equivalent published context as the original posting.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16145021937282727194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-70667149416220967572013-04-16T20:50:55.787-04:002013-04-16T20:50:55.787-04:00Thanks, Kash. Ah, ok. That was a post in which I...Thanks, Kash. Ah, ok. That was a post in which I asked whether or not John Drane had used one of my web pages in the revision of his NT intro. My point here is to question how far it is helpful to subject blog posts to scholarly critique as if the blog posts were themselves formal publications. I actually don't have a problem in principle with the citation of blog posts in formal publications. I have done so myself, e.g. the article "The Talpiot Tomb and the Bloggers" referenced (and linked) above. I even referred to NT Wrong's blog in my recent Thomas and the Gospels. What this may show is that the lines of demarcation are not clear, and that more discussions like this may be helpful.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-24319473218005010992013-04-16T20:46:44.532-04:002013-04-16T20:46:44.532-04:00Thanks, Peter. I'd have thought something sim...Thanks, Peter. I'd have thought something similar.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-55188696596105267382013-04-16T10:30:23.953-04:002013-04-16T10:30:23.953-04:00"past of yours" = "past *post* of y..."past of yours" = "past *post* of yours"Kashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10133179216163041964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-13355901501649878602013-04-16T10:28:53.876-04:002013-04-16T10:28:53.876-04:00Mark,
The incident to which I was referring was a...Mark,<br /><br />The incident to which I was referring was a past of yours calling to attention possible plagiarism from your blog in a certain (well-published) New Testament introduction, in which it seemed to me you thought the blog should have been cited. Hopefully that clarifies and my previous comment will now make better sense.Kashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10133179216163041964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-53219608304252736122013-04-16T08:08:42.959-04:002013-04-16T08:08:42.959-04:00It's all fair game.It's all fair game.geoffhudson.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724916983698195467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-76129634451236386172013-04-15T05:44:04.713-04:002013-04-15T05:44:04.713-04:00I am surprised at this article appearing in JTS. I...I am surprised at this article appearing in JTS. I think a better policy on their part would have been to provisionally accept the article but delay publication so that it could interact with a formal publication from MG. But the phenomenon is interesting/notable not least because it appears in JTS, normally regarded as a flagship publication in our field. <br /><br />Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-44261723567508173892013-04-13T21:03:01.612-04:002013-04-13T21:03:01.612-04:00Mark: wow, I'm impressed at your acknowledgem...Mark: wow, I'm impressed at your acknowledgement of comments! nice.<br /><br />Kyle: I think that's a great point you make, about there being different types of blog. I followed your link to yours, for example, and it was obvious that yours was a very casual blog, and quoting your writings from it in any professional context would probably be a little silly. But on the other hand, I know of many struggling - up-and-coming professional writers for whom their blog is their primary place of publication (the modern equivalent of the old self-publishing) and so their blogs represent their best and most polished work, and they would love for it to be engaged seriously. <br /><br />So I think you're right: attention to blog genre, if we can call it that, has to be paramount.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10915737233077999632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-38721017501426573102013-04-13T19:21:31.249-04:002013-04-13T19:21:31.249-04:00Kyle and Ryan: loved seeing the development of the...Kyle and Ryan: loved seeing the development of the analogy and the discussion -- I appreciate the interaction.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-69363382853505618452013-04-13T19:20:16.671-04:002013-04-13T19:20:16.671-04:00Thanks, veryrarelystable (Signed comment?). Well,...Thanks, veryrarelystable (Signed comment?). Well, that's why I would be inclined to frame the issue in terms of etiquette or professional courtesy. Perhaps I could put the question this way: why would one wish to respond to what is flagged as work in progress in a formal publication? Why not respond in the same (or similar forum) with a view to responding in formal publication when one has had the chance to review the formal publication? Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-23777837056275275152013-04-13T19:16:06.859-04:002013-04-13T19:16:06.859-04:00Kyle: I like the way that you develop the analogy!...Kyle: I like the way that you develop the analogy!Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-64135392469293039322013-04-13T19:15:15.003-04:002013-04-13T19:15:15.003-04:00That's how I tend to feel, spiritualmeandering...That's how I tend to feel, spiritualmeanderings (but could you sign your comment?). Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-282352385870363902013-04-13T19:14:26.176-04:002013-04-13T19:14:26.176-04:00Thanks, Tim. I actually wondered whether the edit...Thanks, Tim. I actually wondered whether the editors of JTS might do that. However, one of the editors responded by saying that I would be welcome to submit an article on this "in the normal way", i.e. there was no question of offering a right of reply. Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-73223788893526588882013-04-13T19:12:40.461-04:002013-04-13T19:12:40.461-04:00Ryan: I think that that's ok. I have sometime...Ryan: I think that that's ok. I have sometimes referenced blogs and online stuff in formal publications, especially if there is no other way to get to it. I suppose that what is different here is that it is obvious that I am developing this idea for a formal publication, so a major response at this point seems pre-emptive.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-19160201931606462472013-04-13T19:10:56.918-04:002013-04-13T19:10:56.918-04:00Steve: interesting points. That is one of the thi...Steve: interesting points. That is one of the things that kind of skews the field. Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-78247825685371944532013-04-13T19:08:02.869-04:002013-04-13T19:08:02.869-04:00Noah, I'm sure that's right, especially wi...Noah, I'm sure that's right, especially with respect to the temporary nature of blogs and the internet. I could delete that post at the push of a button, and who is to say if our blogs will survive beyond this generation in the same way that the journals do? It's amazing just how much has already disappeared from the early years of the net.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-75411662075807179002013-04-13T19:05:36.926-04:002013-04-13T19:05:36.926-04:00Thanks, Chris, for your comments.
Carl: that is...Thanks, Chris, for your comments. <br /><br />Carl: that is what I find a little surprising. I tend to think that blog posts are best discussed within the blogs, conference papers at conferences, etc.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-72740498041946649652013-04-13T19:03:54.841-04:002013-04-13T19:03:54.841-04:00All good points, James D. Thanks.
Thanks, Josh. ...All good points, James D. Thanks.<br /><br />Thanks, Josh. Yes, Paul added those comments after I queried the lack of acknowledgement of the fact that this is work in progress.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1624949721109662942013-04-13T18:56:43.271-04:002013-04-13T18:56:43.271-04:00Ian: I suppose that that gets to the key issue. R...Ian: I suppose that that gets to the key issue. Reacting to a blog post means that the argument has not been patiently and fully constructed, and so the response necessarily miscronstrues the case. If one is engaging online, in comments or in another blog post, it's all in the nature of the to-and-fro of online exchange, but things change as soon as you choose to respond only via formal publication.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-39960621622823875102013-04-13T18:01:50.568-04:002013-04-13T18:01:50.568-04:00Richard: I suppose that that is my concern, that t...Richard: I suppose that that is my concern, that this could discourage people from blogging work in progress, or floating ideas. I think I may well be a little more cautious in the future.<br /><br />Stephen: "mindful of the medium" is a nice way to put it, and I always like a nice bit of alliteration!Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-42945584030084485352013-04-13T18:00:12.547-04:002013-04-13T18:00:12.547-04:00Many thanks for all these really interesting comme...Many thanks for all these really interesting comments. <br /><br />A few remarks.<br /><br />Pete: I am inclined to agree.<br /><br />Kash: I don't recall the incident you are talking about, I'm afraid.<br /><br />Deane: you make a good point about the risk being more with the person writing the formal article, in this case Paul Foster. I should add that after he sent me a copy of the proofs of the article, and after I registered some concerns, he added a note to the piece noting that it is work in progress and from a blog post.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-64844570194163776132013-04-12T14:35:14.438-04:002013-04-12T14:35:14.438-04:00Also, Ryan, it sounds to me like what you did in t...Also, Ryan, it sounds to me like what you did in the instance you narrate was perfectly fine. You drew your audience's attention to something relevant, but made clear that they should pay it a different sort of attention than they were paying to your paper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com