tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post6554597954474952499..comments2024-03-21T14:59:20.729-04:00Comments on NT Blog: More on the Centurion's Sarcastic Cry in Mark 15.39Mark Goodacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-57577749798566863182009-05-17T20:15:00.000-04:002009-05-17T20:15:00.000-04:00Hi, beowulf2k8. I deleted it for two reasons: (1)...Hi, beowulf2k8. I deleted it for two reasons: (1) the gratuitous insult, as you guessed and (2) the fact that it is pseudonymous. Because of abuses of my blog in the past by anonymous / pseudonymous users, I like to ask for people not to hide behind a pseudonym. I looked at your profile and that also does not say who you are. If you sign your posts, I will be happy to retain the comments. Thanks for your interest in my blog and in my thoughts. Best wishes, Mark.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-82345660298791157582009-05-08T19:27:00.000-04:002009-05-08T19:27:00.000-04:00Matthew still doesn't depict the centurion with sa...Matthew still doesn't depict the centurion with sarcasm. I think you want Mark to arrange his narrative differently when perhaps Mark thought the indications were so obvious, given all the parallels, his audience would see the centurion noticing these too.stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14904231885062349459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-8383936394405441322009-05-08T08:18:00.000-04:002009-05-08T08:18:00.000-04:00Thanks, Steph. Even if Mark is talking about the ...Thanks, Steph. Even if Mark is talking about the outer curtain, the narration of the tearing is not the thing that leads to the centurion's statement. It is not, "And when he saw the temple curtain tearing, from top to bottom, he said . . ." Matthew appears to notice the problem, and so adds an earthquake and a resurrection, though even he does not depict the centurion and those with him seeing the curtain. <br /><br />I agree about the importance of the term Son of God to Mark, one of the reasons that it is plausible that he gives it the same treatment as other titles in the Passion Narrative like Christ and King, with dramatic irony: the actors in the drama mock, the reader understands. Mark is not poking fun; rather the irony works by means of continuing the two-level dramatic irony that typifies Mark's Passion.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-61092336853540309092009-05-08T07:59:00.000-04:002009-05-08T07:59:00.000-04:00no you didn't :-) - and no, I wasn't looking for m...no you didn't :-) - and no, I wasn't looking for my name!! - the point about the temple curtain is missed and this provides the context (with the darkness) Mark does not need it to be realistic - that was my point. The impression he intended to convey was the miracle of the tearing of such an enormous and elaborate curtain which could not fail to be missed (probably even by those back in Galilee if you get my drift).;<br /><br />And Aus' point of course was to show the parallels of God mourning in ancient literature - darkness and tearing garments - which could not fail to be missed by Mark.<br /><br />Jesus as Son of God is terribly important for Mark - why poke fun at it with a centurion?stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14904231885062349459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-14277960728886832302009-05-08T07:42:00.000-04:002009-05-08T07:42:00.000-04:00Me? Ignore you? You know me better than that, St...Me? Ignore you? You know me better than that, Steph! Have a look at the last paragraph again where I engage those comments. I should have mentioned you by name, though.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-44262278416860492592009-05-08T04:51:00.000-04:002009-05-08T04:51:00.000-04:00The temple curtain, the darkness, and as I argued ...The temple curtain, the darkness, and as I argued earlier... but never mind, I don't mind that you ignore me - or more importantly, Roger Aus and other respectable scholars :-)stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14904231885062349459noreply@blogger.com