tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post111438256903870209..comments2024-03-21T14:59:20.729-04:00Comments on NT Blog: Michael White on Homosexuality and the BibleMark Goodacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1114540347228353072005-04-26T14:32:00.000-04:002005-04-26T14:32:00.000-04:00You fellas might wanna swing over to www.robgagnon...You fellas might wanna swing over to www.robgagnon.net to see that Mr. White is not telling the whole story at all as regards the scholarly consensus on these questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1114429426934120982005-04-25T07:43:00.000-04:002005-04-25T07:43:00.000-04:00I see nothing in the text of Romans chapter 1 to s...I see nothing in the text of Romans chapter 1 to suggest that it is focused on pederasty (1 Corinthians chapter 6 may be another matter) <BR/><BR/>Also I suspect that it is reading the NT in the light of modern concerns to see the early Christian condemnation of ancient pederastic relations (involving a teenager and an older man) as <B>primarily</B> due to the perceived exploitation of the younger partner by his older lover.Andrew Criddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10529501480944256402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1114398067706054112005-04-24T23:01:00.000-04:002005-04-24T23:01:00.000-04:00Joe, good points, I actually thought as I was writ...Joe, good points, I actually thought as I was writing my comments that the article must have just cut out the middle portions (thus my comment that the article doesn't do the lecture justice).<BR/><BR/>I actually questioned the "newness" of the information more on the basis of the article itself which seems to intimate that this adds something new to the debate. But your point that the information would be news to the particular readership is well taken.John Edward Yancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16999341429837777364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1114395021274722002005-04-24T22:10:00.000-04:002005-04-24T22:10:00.000-04:00No biblical passage "celebrates the murder and mut...No biblical passage "celebrates the murder and mutilation of a woman whose only sin was to have been raped". Moreover, if this is a reference to Judges 19:1-30 as the previous commenter suggests, it is a poorly written reference as the murder and mutilation essentially coincides with the rape; it is certainly not a celebrated punishment for it as the journalist pretends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1114393331492618372005-04-24T21:42:00.000-04:002005-04-24T21:42:00.000-04:00I came to the comments section to list the suggest...I came to the comments section to list the suggested references which Stephen has already done. It would be hard to say if it was the journalist who changed the references of the OT "community" to "church". Even if those were White's words, I do not think the article points towards a schizo posture as John suggests. I think it's quite likely for instance that the article simply leaves out the in-between material where White introduces a warning about consulting the bible that involves attentiveness to language. White has been a great contributor to the academy here in Texas. To say, "The bible on the one hand says this, but on the other hand says this" is not schizophrenic, it's biblical. <BR/>John, your challenge about White saying anything new is more of a remark towards why Mark found the article worth mentioning (I suspect it simply popped up on his google-alert and he thought it interesting). I've spent more than one afternoon lounging on a balcony in Galveston, overlooking the gulf, browsing a copy of the Galveston County Daily News, and I can tell you that White's remarks are "news" to a large portion of that readership.Joe Weakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16379505860158377008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1114388557631166042005-04-24T20:22:00.000-04:002005-04-24T20:22:00.000-04:00Either the article is poorly written or the lectur...Either the article is poorly written or the lecture was schizophrenic (or maybe just transparently political). First White says we have to talk about the Bible when we talk about homosexuality and then he turns around and says, "The words that we often assume are found in the Bible are not even really there" so he dismisses the Bible's contribution. Then he states, "It would be wrong to deny that the Bible frowns on homosexual relationships." Which is it? Or is he just shifting from New Testament to Old when he contends that the Bible frowns on homosexual relationships? That might be the answer with his contentions that seem predicated on the Old Testament (menstruating women in "church", which isn't an OT term at all). Weird. I'm going to guess the article doesn't do the lecture justice.<BR/><BR/>But in any case is anything he is saying at all new? Boswell used much of the same reasoning in the early 80's.John Edward Yancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16999341429837777364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1114387098773455052005-04-24T19:58:00.000-04:002005-04-24T19:58:00.000-04:00IMHO, the "presence of menstruating women in churc...IMHO, the "presence of menstruating women in church" is a reference to Lev 15:19-24 of the Holiness Code.<BR/><BR/>Also, I believe the "murder and mutilation of a woman whose only sin was to have been raped" is a reference to Judges 19:1-30.Stephen C. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18239379955876245197noreply@blogger.com