tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post1626279042527888364..comments2024-03-21T14:59:20.729-04:00Comments on NT Blog: Never cite Wikipedia?Mark Goodacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-25955235035381195532009-09-09T08:11:50.850-04:002009-09-09T08:11:50.850-04:00#2 is spot on. I have toyed with the idea that a l...#2 is spot on. I have toyed with the idea that a lecture course - instead of asking people to write essays that profit only themselves - would be passed by editing a Wikipedia article to a quality one. Or to use Wikipedia articles in the final exam: "How would you improve this article?" Or, on small courses, working all together, reading scholarly treatises, transferring the knowledge into Wikipedia. Practical issues aside :-)<br /><br />Of course the main problem with Wikipedia is still the inaccurate and incomplete information in the articles. Not that there weren't lots and lots of people in the Academy who would be extremely qualified to edit (and continue to be the primary editor of) their article of expertise, but there isn't any incentive to do so - could one put into one's CV that one is a primary editor in Wikipedia of various articles in one's scholarly field?<br /><br />Maybe in future when blogging on academic matters with a purpose to educate and share information freely starts to look like a good idea to add into one's CV?Timo S. Paananenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17013303126358159635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-57700866442630364962009-09-08T16:20:28.618-04:002009-09-08T16:20:28.618-04:00I like the idea of telling them they should be wri...I like the idea of telling them they should be writing it - or maybe, that they should be able to write it (i.e. they should be using primary material and know more than the Wikipedia editor). Trying to get them to understand why they can't just rely on any secondary author, especially Wikipedia, is always a nightmare...Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-53612608279549462342009-09-08T11:01:27.485-04:002009-09-08T11:01:27.485-04:00Ha ha, Doug.
Actually, I did start re-doing the W...Ha ha, Doug.<br /><br />Actually, I did start re-doing the Wikipedia article on Q some time ago in response to a challenge from Jim West, but he didn't keep to his part of the bargain to work on the Zwingli article, so I lost the energy.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-48586351854318627892009-09-08T10:58:33.436-04:002009-09-08T10:58:33.436-04:00However, I think you should rewrite wiki articles ...However, I think you should rewrite wiki articles on Q and not just Who.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326403777027937887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-18932136636580511212009-09-08T09:47:31.586-04:002009-09-08T09:47:31.586-04:00Good point. The problem is not the citation of Wik...Good point. The problem is not the citation of Wikipedia, but its use as a final resource for students. Telling them not to cite Wikipedia makes the problem seem like a citational issue, not a researching issue.Stephen C. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18239379955876245197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-9914108645400735662009-09-08T09:47:14.018-04:002009-09-08T09:47:14.018-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen C. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18239379955876245197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-61426058414441854972009-09-08T09:36:23.198-04:002009-09-08T09:36:23.198-04:00Ha ha, excellent. I suppose the answer is not to ...Ha ha, excellent. I suppose the answer is not to make your updates on Wikipedia anonymously and then you can demonstrate to your teacher that you were the one to do the updates.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-55387658903709638972009-09-08T09:30:55.376-04:002009-09-08T09:30:55.376-04:00So what if you write a couple of paragraphs for Wi...So what if you write a couple of paragraphs for Wikipedia and then include those same paragraphs in an article (or student essay)? If you don't cite Wikipedia you could be done for plagiarism. If you do cite Wikipedia people will think you are citing Wikipedia.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-34354133585335211702009-09-08T09:30:28.527-04:002009-09-08T09:30:28.527-04:00Yes, where students put ",however," in t...Yes, where students put ",however," in the middle of a sentence to signal a change of gear, e.g. "Mark 6.4 (RSV) says that Jesus was a 'carpenter', however, some scholars say that the word just means 'someone who works with his hands'". When "however" is used this way, it should, of course, be in a sentence where there is some form of contrast with the previous sentence. The usage seems to be getting more common in student writing, and it is very common in Wikipedia.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-52545330201559018312009-09-08T09:18:44.626-04:002009-09-08T09:18:44.626-04:00Incorrect use of however?Incorrect use of however?Matt Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05113670876288157267noreply@blogger.com