tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post2856807973683742143..comments2024-03-12T17:34:02.225-04:00Comments on NT Blog: That Dalai Lama Quotation, and the Historical ScepticMark Goodacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-81370797662615732262017-10-13T00:36:24.317-04:002017-10-13T00:36:24.317-04:00How did you find that? I have searched for so god ...How did you find that? I have searched for so god damned long π‘Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931646792629539455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-38030383768455502752016-11-19T11:10:30.225-05:002016-11-19T11:10:30.225-05:00He definitely said it when I saw him talk at Glast...He definitely said it when I saw him talk at Glastonbury in June 2015 - I remember it very clearly! So even if he didn't think of it himself he must have thought it was a good one ;) I reckon he pinched it from The Eagles though:<br /><br />"...You can spend all your time making money. You can spend all your love making time...."Lindsay Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14466938064094228322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-36971936284414201872015-11-13T22:21:15.819-05:002015-11-13T22:21:15.819-05:00According to Goodreads.com, this qoute was actuall...According to Goodreads.com, this qoute was actually said by James J. Lachard, and it went like this:<br /><br />βMan surprised me most about humanity. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money.<br />Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.β<br /><br /> β James J. Lachard<br /><br />Source:<br />http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/525471-man-surprised-me-most-about-humanity-because-he-sacrifices-hisLarry'sBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08514925491907958855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-56695013895080230302015-07-09T07:48:13.144-04:002015-07-09T07:48:13.144-04:00What's the methodological lesson as to the say...What's the methodological lesson as to the sayings attributed to Jesus? There are three candidates. <br />First, Sanders': reject them all and attend instead to narrative events. A great loss.<br />Second, pick and choose by applying the best criteria one can contrive. The example of the Dalia Lama's saying suggests this method sustains excessive credulity.<br />Finally, there's Allison's way. If the saying is a part of a theme, a repeated motif (sorry rich guys, last shall be first, be forgiving, I set my face towards Jerusalem), then it's probably as well tested as may be hoped, and should be credited. Which implies that any particular saying, even the loveliest, still falls to Sanderian skepticism.<a href="http://quotesdna.com/jealousy-quotes/" rel="nofollow">Jealousy Quotes</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18295838737527393066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-55335881326664727112013-10-04T20:34:27.906-04:002013-10-04T20:34:27.906-04:00It is certainly revealing to witness how a fake qu...It is certainly revealing to witness how a fake quotation can be so easily invented and attributed to a well-known personality such as the Dalai Lama in our age of powerful means of archiving and distributing documents, and checking on authenticity of attributions.<br /><br />Which of course, inspires us to believe that such inventions and attributions of sayings must have been infinitely easier to fabricate in Antiquity when archiving was rudimentary, the distribution of original documents ridiculously limited, and means of fact checking by any curious scholar non-existant.<br /><br />This example tends to support the hypothesis of many historians that the quotations ascribed to Jesus in the four Gospels (and the many non-canonical gospels too) could easily have been spurious attributions to a speaker named Jesus who may never have pronounced the words, but is used as an anchor for assembling a suite of pithy sayings that are striking and interesting.<br /><br />And once such doubts have been launched (David Strauss), a natural expansion of such skepticism may have spontaneously led to the radical thesis that the speaker named Jesus may too have been a literary invention to provide a support for a collection of interesting sayings assembled by writers (Bruno Bauer, Edwin Johnson), as Albert Schweitzer shows in Ch. XI of his "Quest" (1906/13). <br /><br />In exactly the same manner that all the sayings collected in Proverbs have been attributed to the figure of Wisdom (Sophia), who reappears in many books of the Hebrew Testament as the anchor for similar wisdom sayings.ROO BOOKAROOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01113467401997828302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-50901202020595900922013-07-19T07:04:47.932-04:002013-07-19T07:04:47.932-04:00There is a phrase that is about in the outlaw bike...There is a phrase that is about in the outlaw bike community " everyone dies only a few live" much more simplified version of the above quote. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11399883207192914589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-54949808596346655042013-05-24T08:57:56.189-04:002013-05-24T08:57:56.189-04:00Many thanks, Robert. That's fascinating. I s...Many thanks, Robert. That's fascinating. I should update this post with a link to your post.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-34044356480551755702013-05-24T08:29:44.482-04:002013-05-24T08:29:44.482-04:00James J. Blanchard created the original, later &qu...James J. Blanchard created the original, later "adapted" statement in a short story never published.<br />http://centerforgloballeadership.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/an-interview-with-god-i-stand-corrected/<br /><br />Robert M. Soranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01472578439782619403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-71114953917104951562013-05-12T08:44:50.024-04:002013-05-12T08:44:50.024-04:00being a follower of H.H. The Dalai Lama, i have al...being a follower of H.H. The Dalai Lama, i have always heard him saying the same thing in every major Speeches. He has always taught us not to run after money like a fool, he has always told us to fear death and be wise and compassionate.<br />i have always heard him saying those lines, but in Tibetan.<br />Now its the art of those writers to present his speeches to whatever PHEW or Beau. Kungahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09246237295662519438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-3458611539305515072013-02-27T11:59:45.810-05:002013-02-27T11:59:45.810-05:00Have a look at my related post at http://ntweblog....Have a look at my related post at http://ntweblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/matthew-effect.htmlMark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-18543497317597968602013-02-27T10:55:03.718-05:002013-02-27T10:55:03.718-05:00Stephen C. Carlson, could you clarify why you are ...Stephen C. Carlson, could you clarify why you are calling this the Matthew effect? A google search says that has more to do with "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18258066608841151933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-5862410657332935692011-11-09T00:34:52.381-05:002011-11-09T00:34:52.381-05:00"The Dalai Lama, when asked..."
There&#..."The Dalai Lama, when asked..."<br /><br />There've been lots of Dalai Lamas...it will be hard to prove none of them ever said it. Just like there are lots of Pauls and it will be hard to prove none of them ever wrote some interpolation in Romans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-59986652512595419112011-10-20T16:00:05.106-04:002011-10-20T16:00:05.106-04:00I'm a big fan of the Dalai Lama and something ...I'm a big fan of the Dalai Lama and something about this quote just strike me as OFF. Thanks for clearing up my gut feeling that it's a hoax.Mandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368501294302076608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-37277100716372116622011-10-17T09:24:43.761-04:002011-10-17T09:24:43.761-04:00Thanks for sharing this Mark! I posted a reflectio...Thanks for sharing this Mark! <a href="http://www.patheos.com/community/exploringourmatrix/2011/10/17/matthew-accuracy-spurious-quotations-and-the-historical-jesus/" rel="nofollow">I posted a reflection on this and your follow up post, linking to them both</a>.James F. McGrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02561146722461747647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-51605026174206035782011-10-15T06:53:21.616-04:002011-10-15T06:53:21.616-04:00We seem to be missing an important point here. If ...We seem to be missing an important point here. If we were to reconstruct the thought of the Dalai Lama from this quotation, we would not be doing too badly. Similarly the MLK quote does reflect his thought well, even if not all the words were his. These two mis-attributed quotations went viral only because they reflected the distinctive legacies of MLK and the Dalai Lama. Indeed, I suspect you would need to live with these two individuals for days or weeks before you heard words that summed up their distinctive thought better than these mis-quotations.<br /><br />Also, let's not extrapolate too much from a few cases of mis-quotation. What about all the accurately attributed quotations that are out there?Richard Fellowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06777460488456330838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-61458880062999314122011-10-14T10:28:31.237-04:002011-10-14T10:28:31.237-04:00Excellent! Thanks, Bob. Your post from as recent...Excellent! Thanks, Bob. Your post from as recently as May also illustrates something troubling about blogging -- our horribly short memories. Now I look at that (fine) post again, I think, "Ah yes! I remember reading that!" But it did not occur to me while writing this post. Mind you, it's also one of the great things about blogs that the stronger, more interesting posts like that will generate more comments and links and so guarantee longevity.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-7327023650085041642011-10-14T09:23:59.202-04:002011-10-14T09:23:59.202-04:00a similar thing happened to a MLK quote that went ...a similar thing happened to a MLK quote that went around back in may: http://robertcargill.com/2011/05/02/fake-martin-luther-king-jr-quote-demonstrates-how-we-got-the-apocrypha/<br /><br />still one of my top 5 most visited blog posts. people LOVE a good quote when it is attributed to someone they want to admire.<br /><br />and THAT is how you got the sayings of the biblical jesus.<br /><br />thanx!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01139547360019959563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-17482046000464336612011-10-13T23:18:56.385-04:002011-10-13T23:18:56.385-04:00Good thoughts, Smijer.Good thoughts, Smijer.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-46889110999244680262011-10-13T23:18:18.078-04:002011-10-13T23:18:18.078-04:00Thanks, Damien. I really enjoyed your post. I me...Thanks, Damien. I really enjoyed your post. I mentioned it in class this morning too.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-23447909464671884322011-10-13T23:17:51.253-04:002011-10-13T23:17:51.253-04:00James -- I have some sympathy with the way that yo...James -- I have some sympathy with the way that you describe things. It should perhaps be added that Sanders does not reject all the sayings, though. In fact, he spends a lot of time on sayings like the divorce sayings in the Synoptics and Paul.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-1142585656227091632011-10-13T23:16:15.990-04:002011-10-13T23:16:15.990-04:00I agree, Tony. These things stick because they are...I agree, Tony. These things stick because they are so plausible.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-87410848464156155852011-10-13T23:15:51.924-04:002011-10-13T23:15:51.924-04:00Thanks, Stephen! Comments at http://ntweblog.blog...Thanks, Stephen! Comments at http://ntweblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/matthew-effect.htmlMark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-59100528345677621792011-10-13T20:41:11.762-04:002011-10-13T20:41:11.762-04:00Meant to say "enemies of the Dalai Lama"...Meant to say "enemies of the Dalai Lama". We see passages that refer to the enemies of Jesus in the NT and fathers... My guess is that this included people in any way critical of the movement.smijerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00565212411446092552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-21647304333898310722011-10-13T19:15:37.889-04:002011-10-13T19:15:37.889-04:00It occurs to me that if the spurious quote is even...It occurs to me that if the spurious quote is eventually adopted by DL supporters as authentic, and Damien's deconstruction is preserved in the future, it will likely not be recognizable. Something like "The enemies did not acknowledge his words."smijerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00565212411446092552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-64032320793053493262011-10-13T15:16:30.259-04:002011-10-13T15:16:30.259-04:00I was pleased to learn that there is a name for wh...I was pleased to learn that there is a name for what I have described twice in my blog this week. <br /><br />Thank you to Stephen Carlson for his comment which revealed to me the existance of the Matthew Effect. Thanks also to NTBlogzone for giving my story a few more legs. <br /><br />As silly as my blog can be, I often go on after serious issues - and this was one. It's usually when somebody or something annoys me enough that I will take the time to look deeper. <br /><br />Damien<br />DDM@TheDamienZone.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com