tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post5766074698843795683..comments2024-03-21T14:59:20.729-04:00Comments on NT Blog: Gospel of Jesus' Wife Fragment: the Discussions ContinueMark Goodacrehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-13971166450241229802012-10-24T07:55:08.643-04:002012-10-24T07:55:08.643-04:00Opistograph. Apparently there are two definitions....Opistograph. Apparently there are two definitions. William A. Johnson, Books and Scribes in Oxyrhynchus (p. 342): "Opistograph. A bookroll where the text is written on both front (recto) and back (verso). This term does not apply when both sides are written upon because the papyrus has been reused." The Oxford English Dictionary, for what it's worth, entry spelled opisthograph, does not include the limitation in the second sentence; nor does it limit to writing on papyrus. Examples of the broader use, including papyrus and skin, and in cases of Qumran mss where the second writing is from a second, later scribe: Michael O. Wise, Thunder in Gemini and Emanuel Tov, Scribal practices and approaches reflected in the texts found in the Judean desert.Stephen Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300499142977120746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-3190163165894686972012-10-24T07:01:59.622-04:002012-10-24T07:01:59.622-04:00On the one hand, so to speak, if the ms fragment i...On the one hand, so to speak, if the ms fragment is from an ancient codex, as the HTR draft proposed, the ink on both sides should probably be very similar, and ancient (or ancient-compatible).<br />If the ms fragment is from an ancient scroll, with ancient writing on one side and modern writing on the other, the inks probably should differ. If the ancient papyrus scrap was blank on both sides but written upon in recent years by the same writer, the ink on both sides should probably be identical chemically. Stephen Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300499142977120746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-44022220749937302032012-10-24T05:13:10.165-04:002012-10-24T05:13:10.165-04:00I wonder whether the testing will include analyzin...I wonder whether the testing will include analyzing and comparing the ink on both sides.Stephen Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300499142977120746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-84974214162317111702012-10-24T04:12:02.323-04:002012-10-24T04:12:02.323-04:00I think Karen King ought to be commended for makin...I think Karen King ought to be commended for making the image of the fragment available online, along with her preliminary analysis. This openness has really contributed to a thorough peer-review and vetting that would otherwise have maybe taken months if not years to do in the old print paradigm.<br /><br />Although this new way of peer-review has not quite gone the way I suspect that she would have preferred, I hope it nonetheless does not discourage later scholars from being as open about the primary source material as she has.Stephen C. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12327519459656394690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-50818501433399002882012-10-20T21:51:13.013-04:002012-10-20T21:51:13.013-04:00I wish Marv Meyer were here for this one.I wish Marv Meyer were here for this one.Brett Provancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06523166454882681259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-74898173237065881322012-10-18T21:43:07.035-04:002012-10-18T21:43:07.035-04:00Thanks for your helpful comments, Stephen. Yes, a...Thanks for your helpful comments, Stephen. Yes, and Prof Depuydt's article was, if I have understood it correctly, specifically commissioned by HTR.Mark Goodacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05115370166754797529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-33310552687599258022012-10-18T07:46:29.825-04:002012-10-18T07:46:29.825-04:00Shanks also wrote that the "only authority I ...Shanks also wrote that the "only authority I know to declare it unqualifiedly 'a fake'" is someone that Shanks declares is not known for his competence in Coptic.<br />Be that as it may, and leaving aside numerous scholars who say it is, more or less, exceedingly likely a fake, Brown Prof. Leo Depuydt is an example of an authority who has been quoted as calling the ms precisely "a fake."Stephen Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300499142977120746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-64457679570929523622012-10-18T05:26:20.198-04:002012-10-18T05:26:20.198-04:00"Muphry's Law" suggests that if you ..."Muphry's Law" suggests that if you correct a typo in someone else's writing, your correction will include a typo. For the 4th word above, please read Shanks' not Shank's.<br />Sometimes, typographical errors-- even in Coptic, even if made in November, 2002, by Michael Grondin, in an online Coptic Gospel of Thomas--turn out to be rather significant.Stephen Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300499142977120746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5759844.post-53343420670038873392012-10-18T05:15:09.776-04:002012-10-18T05:15:09.776-04:00Some of Hershel Shank's comments (linked above...Some of Hershel Shank's comments (linked above) may be beside the point. He apparently assumed, perhaps not reliably, that HTR delayed publication against Prof. King's wishes. He wrote (dated Oct. 16) that Luijendijk and "Bagnell" (read Bagnall) "regard the text as authentic"--using present tense. That would be interesting news, if that is true, despite recent findings. (I have no knowledge of their present views.) Did Shanks hear that from them recently or did he just allow himself ample editorial rhetorical scope? Shanks calls HTR's postponement "shameful," when a more apt word might be "prudent." In any case, Prof. King already generously made available a draft of her HTR submission as well as good photographs. It is, in a sense, already published. Debate is already here. Don't scholarly journals have better things to do than to publish fakes?Stephen Goransonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15300499142977120746noreply@blogger.com